So, hot on the heels of Podcast 5 - on football kit sponsorship, with John Devlin - we thought we'd approach the next installment a little differently, with a public service bent.

Jason Lee has been a friend of the site for many years, helping out with a hugely popular FC St Pauli competition, and many reading this will be aware that he has a distinguished pedigree, having worked as an apparel (read "kit") designer with both adidas and hummel (now freelance). We simply had to get him on.

It's been a little while since the last DF podcast - though I did have a very fun chat with Austin Long from the Soccer Nomad pod in the intervening period - so it was certainly time for another. Recorded nearly two weeks ago now - sorry - it was high time I welcomed back True Colours author John Devlin, and we had an enjoyable discussion on the subject of football kit sponsorship.

Over Christmas, I referred to the Three Wise Men. They were, in no order other than chronological, John Devlin, Martin Le Roy and Denis Hurley. If you click their names, you'll find that each had their own podcast, or Christmas Lecture, if you will.

Well, there are more wise men. I aim to chat to plenty more, in fact, and wise people in general - gender is certainly no obstacle for anyone who aspires (?) to appear on The DesignFootball.com Podcast.

Much, much later than we originally planned to publish, owing to technical issues on this very website, this is the special Christmas edition of The DesignFootball.com Podcast. The final installment of our trinity of deliveries - or final wise man, to use another religious reference - features the expertise - on kit clashes, Herbert Chapman, and more - of one Denis Hurley.

A little later than first advertised - you may have noticed we've been having a few technical issues on the site - we bring you the second of our Christmas "wise men". This one's Martin Le Roy. Or "frankincense" (we checked with Mary Hatch-Bailey for the spelling).

A DF member (MartinLeRoy), Martin has experienced that transition from amateur (fantasy) to part-time IRL kit designer. The podcast will elaborate, but suffice to say He Got His Kits Made.